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+ <title>Wishes for Latin Modern</title>
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+
+ <h1>Wishes for Latin Modern</h1>
+
+ <hr>
+ <p>
+ <em>
+ Unfortunately, I will not be able to maintain this www page
+ anymore. I am searching for a person that can do the work from now
+ on.
+ </em>
+ </p>
+ <hr>
+
+ <p>
+ In de.comp.text.tex, there has been a discussion about the
+ Latin Modern font family that is developed by
+ Bogus&#x0142;aw Jackowski aka Jacko,
+ <a href="mailto:B.Jackowski@gust.org.pl">B.Jackowski@gust.org.pl</a>,
+ and Janusz M.&nbsp;Nowacki,
+ <a href="mailto:jnowacki@uck.uni.torun.pl">jnowacki@uck.uni.torun.pl</a>.
+ </p>
+ <p>
+ This list contains wishes for future versions of the Latin Modern
+ font family (versions 0.86 to 0.92).
+ </p>
+ <p>
+ Wishes that will surely not be realized are
+ <strike>canceled like this</strike>.
+ </p>
+
+ <p>
+ <a href="lmodern-done.html">Here, you can find these wishes that have
+ been realized or rejected.</a>
+ </p>
+
+ <h3>How to add new items to this list</h3>
+
+ <p>
+ At the moment, nobody maintains this page. Until a new maintainer is
+found it is difficult to add new items.
+<!-- If you like me to add a new item to this list please write a text
+ that describes the problem/wish.
+ I will include it without any change to this list.
+ Please tell me if your mail address may be published on this list,
+ too.
+ If possible, use html tags for special characters, e.g.,
+ <code>&lt;code&gt;</code>...<code>&lt;/code&gt;</code> for code
+ examples,
+ <code>&amp;lsquo;</code>...<code>&amp;rsquo;</code> for
+ &lsquo;...&rsquo; etc.
+ Send your text to
+ <a href="mailto:nobody">nobody</a>.
+-->
+ </p>
+
+ <h3>Kerning</h3>
+
+ <ul>
+ <li>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b>
+ All kerning has been prepared from scratch.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:ralf.stubner@physik.uni-erlangen.de">Ralf Stubner</a>,
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a> (2004-07-19):
+ Kerning around quotation marks is problematic, see
+ <a href="lm-kerning-092.pdf">lm-kerning-092.pdf</a> and
+ <a href="lm-kerning.tex">lm-kerning.tex</a>. Note the large
+ corrections needed for <code>quotedblleft</code> when it is used as
+ German style <em>right</em> quotation mark. This is caused by the
+ horizontally not centered <code>quotedblleft</code>. There is a simple
+ solution by using <code>quotedblleft.alt</code> etc. which are
+ horizontally centered. We do not see any disadvantage in using
+ these, even not for English texts.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:olli@sopos.org">Oliver Heins</a> (2004-11-26):
+ Kerning between the bold and roman letters &lsquo;t&rsquo; and
+ &lsquo;l&rsquo; seems to be too big. Especially the bold version
+ is very ugly. Both italic and bold-italic are okay.
+ See
+ <a href="lmodern-tl.pdf">lmodern-tl.pdf</a> and
+ <a href="lmodern-tl.tex">lmodern-tl.tex</a>.
+ </li>
+ </ul>
+
+
+ <h3>Text fractions</h3>
+
+ <ul>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+ Superior and inferior digits, comma, and period for
+ arbitrary textfractions similar to textcomp's
+ <code>\textonehalf</code> should be added.
+ The solidus exists called &lsquo;fraction&rsquo; (Thanks to
+ <a href="mailto:moho01ab@student.cbs.dk">Morten H&oslash;gholm</a>).
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>Not touched yet.</em>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:moho01ab@student.cbs.dk">Morten H&oslash;gholm</a>
+ (2004-04-16):
+ It would be great if the `<code>solidus</code>' could
+ have a fake lenght so that you wouldn't need to kern all
+ the time; just like it is in the Adobe fonts.
+ </li>
+ </ul>
+
+
+ <h3>Single glyphs/ligatures</h3>
+
+ <ul>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+ I like the &mu; that is a mixture from the u and the p, as it is
+ in cm-super (with serifs), more than the Latin Modern &mu; which
+ does not have serifs at all. But this topic seems to be controversial.
+ <a href="mailto:stefan-ulrich.nntp@zen.co.uk">Stefan Ulrich</a>
+ does not agree.
+ He thinks that most greek fonts don't have a serif at the descender
+ of the <code>\textmu</code>.
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>Not touched yet.</em>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:kirpal@rz.uni-leipzig.de">Gerrit Kirpal</a>:
+ The degree symbol (<code>\textdegree</code>) should have the
+ same size as the degree sign in degree celsius
+ (<code>\textcelsius</code>).
+ It should be slightly larger than used in <code>\textcelsius</code>
+ but much smaller than in <code>\textdegree</code>. A ratio of 2/5
+ between the diameter and the height of capitals would be nice
+ (in <code>\textcelsius</code>, it is 1/3 while it is 1/2 in
+ <code>\textdegree</code>).<br>
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>
+ I fully agree.
+ The <code>\textdegree</code> really is ugly in Latin Modern.
+ In addition, the outline of the ball in <code>\textdegree</code> is
+ too thin.
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>We also agree that the present
+ state of the art
+ is unacceptable. Will be touched as soon as possible.</em>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:kirpal@rz.uni-leipzig.de">Gerrit Kirpal</a>:
+ The circled text symbols are better than in cm-super, but they
+ have too thin outlines.
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>Not touched yet.</em>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+ The <code>\pm</code> is ugly.
+ The original CM version is much nicer.
+ At least, the &lsquo;+&rsquo; part of the sign should be
+ symmetrical.<br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
+ Hardly implementable to full extent. Knuth constructs plusminus
+ by shifting plus so that its bottom touches the baseline and next
+ places a bar (minus) on the baseline. This works for circa half of
+ the LM family. In the rest of fonts the glyph would be too high
+ (most notably in LMBX5, LMBX6, LMSSQBX8 and LMSSQBO8). We decided
+ that the resulting glyph should not be higher than ascender height;
+ if it would, we decreased its height par force.</em>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:blacktrash@gmx.net">Christian Ebert</a> (2004-01-16):
+ Some design dizes are not displayed correctly in Acrobat Reader
+ (at least version x86&nbsp;linux&nbsp;5.0.5), e.g.,
+ the &lsquo;A&rsquo; in 10pt is printed below the baseline
+ (<a href="lm10pt.tex">lm10pt.tex</a>,
+ <a href="lm10pt.png">lm10pt.png</a>);
+ the &lsquo;i&rsquo; in 11pt is printed above the baseline
+ (<a href="lm11pt.tex">lm11pt.tex</a>,
+ <a href="lm11pt.png">lm11pt.png</a>).<br>
+ <a href="mailto:andreas.lobinger@netsurf.de">Andreas Lobinger</a>
+ (2004-01-16):
+ This may occur due to wrong hinting.
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>Not touched yet.</em>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:ralf.stubner@physik.uni-erlangen.de">Ralf Stubner</a>
+ (2004-03-12):
+ The umlauts in &auml;, &ouml;, and &uuml; as well as in
+ &Auml;, &Ouml;, and &Uuml; should be
+ at the same height as in the EC fonts.
+ This height is a compromise between the default placement in the
+ CM fonts and the placement in the CM fonts with
+ <code>(n)german</code>. Example:
+ <a href="umlauts.pdf">umlauts.pdf</a>,
+ <a href="umlauts.tex">umlauts.tex</a>.
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
+ Not touched yet. We wanted to consult the matter with Hermann
+ Zapf (there was a little chance) but we haven't managed to
+ arrange the meeting.
+ </em>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ Arni Magnusson (2004-04-16):
+Thanks for creating the lmodern fonts. Icelandic LaTeX users have been
+using cm-super to render the Þ (thorn) and Ð (eth) characters in type 1,
+and although cm-super does a fine job, lmodern seems like a cleaner
+solution to the Þ and Ð problem.<br>
+I understand you are still working on the fonts, and I'd like to offer my
+comments on issues specific to Icelandic characters. If you open the three
+attached PDF documents (not provided here, Jacko does have the examples), you will notice mainly three differences: (1) the
+upper case Þ should carry its belly higher in lmodern, (2) the comma over
+the ú should have a lower angle, and (3) the neck of the ð should be bent
+further down. Knuth's bitmaps and cm-super look similar to books printed
+in Iceland.<br>
+The kerning is also an issue, in light of Knuth's original goal, described
+in the TUGboat 21(2): "the rendering [should] be the same in ten years
+[...] on everybody's machine it [should] come out the same, not only now
+but in the future." An ambitious goal, but at any rate, the smaller the
+kerning differences, the better.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ Morten H&oslash;gholm (2004-06-11):
+At this years BachoTeX I talked to Boguslaw about adding some more
+ligatures to Latin Modern, as we in Danish really need fj. At
+<a href="http://www.eur.nl/fw/staff/lokhorst/metafont.html"
+>http://www.eur.nl/fw/staff/lokhorst/metafont.html</a> a lot of ligatures are
+shown, although not all of them are particular nice. He promised to look
+at it. (When you have the standard fi and ij ligatures, you would also
+think there should be an fij, right? In polish they have a common flower
+named `fijolet' making Boguslaw even more eager to add it... The Dutch use
+it in common words as `fijn' as well.) I guess this calls for a special
+fontencoding for Danish users.
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+There are some good ligatures. But for example the fff ligature is useless
+in German. You should be careful in adding new ligatures.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ Mart&iacute;n Dar&iacute;o Safe (2004-07-05):
+When using the lm package version 0.92, almost all occurrences of
+&#8216;ij&#8217; and &#8216;IJ&#8217; in your document will output ij
+and IJ Dutch digraphs. This seems inadequate for all European languages
+but Dutch. Also, this behaviour can prevent you from copying and pasting,
+searching, and indexing words containing &#8216;ij&#8217; on PDF
+files for non-Dutch texts.
+More description about that topic at
+<a href="http://www.mdsafe.com.ar/ijdigraphissue.htm"
+>http://www.mdsafe.com.ar/ijdigraphissue.htm</a>.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:eckhard.neber@web.de">Eckhard Neber</a> (2004-07-09):
+I asked on dctt why the glyphs of scedilla and tcedilla are different
+from the others and was pointed to
+<a href="http://www.tug.org/tug2003/preprints/Jackowski/jackowski.pdf"
+>http://www.tug.org/tug2003/preprints/Jackowski/jackowski.pdf</a>
+It says that this is a feature following the rules of the Romanian
+language, but referring to
+<a href="http://www.evertype.com/alphabets/turkish.pdf"
+>"http://www.evertype.com/alphabets/turkish.pdf</a>
+it is handled differently in Turkish.
+Is there a possibility to have both variants?
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:ralf.stubner@physik.uni-erlangen.de">Ralf Stubner</a>
+ (2004-07-17):
+Similar to [sS]cedilla, [tT]cedilla should really be a [tT] with cedilla
+below. Both, [sS]cedilla and [tT]cedilla should be used in T1/Cork
+encoding, as the turkish [sS]cedilla would not be available otherwise,
+and using [sS]cedilla and [tT]commacent at the same time would be
+inconsistent. [sS]commaacent and [tT]commacent are still available via
+the QX encoding. Also, the EC fonts, which can be seen as reference
+implementation of the T1/Cork encoding, use [sS]cedilla and [tT]cedilla.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ Ram&oacute;n Casares
+ (2005-06-01):
+The Latin Modern fonts are really needed in Spanish, so I am following its
+development with much interest. One thing I have notice, comparing last year
+printings &ndash; from August to be more precise &ndash; with printings done with the
+new version, is the horizontal placement of the acute accent. In the last
+year printing, the acute accent was a little bit to the right, but
+acceptable. The current version is too much to the left. And, in the case of
+the <code>&iacute;</code>, is imposible for me not to notice it every time I
+read it. So I would suggest to use the Computer Modern model to place the
+acute accent, which is just where it should.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ Stephan Hennig
+ (2005-03-08):
+In thread "Italicalized old-style figures" from 2004-09-08 on
+comp.text.tex there has been some agreement to the opinion CM's
+old-style figures do look ugly. Is it possible for LM to provide nicer
+old-style figures?<br>
+As I'm completely ignorant about font design I don't really know what
+makes CM's old-style figures look so boring. And I don't know if a
+complete redesign would be necessary to get nicer ones. Maybe just
+slanting the current old-style digits <em>slightly</em> could make the
+single digits look more individual and less obstrusive?
+<br>
+<a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+I think only a complete new design would help. For instance, the 1 and 3
+normally really look different in lining and old-style figures which they
+don't for LM. Slanting is wrong in my opinion.
+ </li>
+ </ul>
+
+
+ <h3>General things</h3>
+
+ <ul>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+ Virtual fonts or font encodings for usage of old-style digits
+ (similar to the eco package).
+ Small Caps should either use old-style digits or get extra
+ lining digits with a height that fits to the
+ &lsquo;minuscles&rsquo;.
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
+ Not touched yet. Help is welcome. But remember that each new
+ encoding means a new set of TFM files.
+ </em>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+ I would like proportional digits in addition to the table digits
+ with same width which are provided up to now.
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>Not touched yet.</em>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+ I think Latin Modern should have a full set of Small Caps fonts
+ including bold series, italic/slanted shape as well as the sans serif
+ and type writer families.<br>
+ For the roman (serif) family of Latin Modern, the bold extended small
+ caps font shapes are missing
+ (&lsquo;LMCaps##-Bold&rsquo; and &lsquo;LMCaps##-BoldItalic&rsquo;).
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
+Nice idea, although it would require a lot of work (see the remarks
+concerning the preparing of the bold typewriter variant). But it should be
+considered seriously, as Knuthian small caps are hardly usable in the context
+of OpenType fonts (see below). So, perhaps adding alternative small caps
+makes sense.
+ </em>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+ The slanted small caps font shape &lsquo;LMCaps##-Italic&rsquo;
+ is present, but it is not prepared to be used by LaTeX.
+ With the package
+ <a href="ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/slantsc.zip">&lsquo;slantsc.sty&rsquo;</a>,
+ slanted small capitals
+ can be used, if the corresponding <code>fd</code> files contain
+ entries for font shapes <code>scsl</code> and <code>scit</code> for
+ slanted and italic font shapes, respectively.
+ <code>t1lmr.fd</code> already includes the font
+ <code>lmr/m/scsl</code> (Normal weighted slanted small capitals).
+ For the italic shape, a substitution could be defined:
+ <br><code>\DeclareFontShape{T1}{lmr}{m}{scit}{&lt;-&gt;ssub *
+ lmr/m/scsl}{}</code>.<br>
+ The same should be done for new small caps shapes (sans serif, bold,
+ etc.).
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
+Not touched yet. We'll try to prepare the relevant files in the next release.
+ </em>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+ Cpa files for supporting the package <code>pdfcprot</code> should be
+ added (2003-11-26).
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
+ Not touched yet. Help welcome.
+ </em>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:zedler@ei.tum.de">Michael Zedler</a> (2004-01-15):
+ Build an OpenType version of Latin Modern. Then, SC, OSF,
+ special ligatures etc. were included and accessable from DTP
+ programmes.
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
+We work on it, but the task is not trivial. For example, metric files
+for cmr10 and cmcsc10 differ significantly. Compare the two excerpts
+from AFM files:
+<br>
+ cmr10.afm:<br>
+ <code>C 65 ; WX 750 ; N A ; B 32 0 717 716 ;</code><br>
+ <code>C 66 ; WX 708.333 ; N B ; B 36 0 651 683 ;</code><br>
+ <code>C 67 ; WX 722.222 ; N C ; B 56 -22 665 705 ;</code><br>
+ cmcsc10.afm:<br>
+ <code>C 65 ; WX 813.879 ; N A ; B 48 0 765 716 ;</code><br>
+ <code>C 66 ; WX 770.824 ; N B ; B 58 0 698 683 ;</code><br>
+ <code>C 67 ; WX 786.102 ; N C ; B 72 -22 713 705 ;</code><br>
+Small caps are circa 10% wider; therefore, cmcsc10 and cmr10 cannot just
+be joined into a single OpenType font with small caps available through
+the `smcp' feature.
+ </em>
+ <br>
+ Peter Dyballa (2004-11-25):
+ Will Robertson has prepared an OpenType version of the Latin
+ Modern fonts (for usage with XeTeX):
+ <a href="http://www.mecheng.adelaide.edu.au/~will/tex/"
+ >http://www.mecheng.adelaide.edu.au/~will/tex/</a>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ Make Latin Modern fonts usable with Mac computers (2004-01-16).
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
+Once we have OpenType fonts the problem will be solved, will it not?
+Needs time, however.
+ </em>
+ (I don't know if this is an official work.)
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a> (2004-07-09):
+ The lmodern.sty style file should get the same version number and
+ date as the Latin Modern fonts and a description what it does, e.g.,
+ <br>
+ <code>\ProvidesPackage{lmodern}[2004/04/14 v0.92 Latin Modern fonts]</code>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="http://iki.fi/juhtolv">Juhapekka Tolvanen</a> (2004-08-24):
+ It would be nice, if latin Modern would include also those fonts of
+Computer Modern Bright. Right now the only free (in the sense of freedom)
+version of Computer Modern Bright in Type 1 format is in that awfully
+big cm-super package and hfbright package.
+ </li>
+ </ul>
+
+ <hr>
+ <address><a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a></address>
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