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<h1>Fulfilled or rejected wishes for Latin Modern</h1>
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<p>
<em>
Unfortunately, I will not be able to maintain this www page
anymore. I am searching for a person that can do the work from now
on.
</em>
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<hr>
<p>
This page contains the wishes from the page
<a href="lmodern.html">Wishes for Latin Modern</a> that have already
been fulfilled or rejected.
</p>
<p>
Fulfilled wishes are printed in normal type, rectected wishes are
<strike>canceled like this</strike>.
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<h3>Kerning</h3>
<ul>
<li>
Especially around quotation marks, see
<a href="lm-kerning-086.pdf">lm-kerning-086.pdf</a> and
<a href="lm-kerning.tex">lm-kerning.tex</a>.<br>
</li>
<li>
<a href="mailto:tab@gmx.net">Thilo Barth</a>:
Kerning between d and a should be closer
(<a href="http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=bivsfr%24d70ep%242%40ID-5075.news.uni-berlin.de">his German news posting</a>).
<a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
I don't agree.
And <a href="mailto:kirpal@rz.uni-leipzig.de">Gerrit Kirpal</a> does
not either.
</li>
<li>
<a href="mailto:w-a-schmidt@gmx.net">Walter Schmidt</a>:
The font cork-lmri10 is lacking negative kerning between W-a.
Please, compare with ecti1000! Note that I did not search
systematically for further deficiencies of this kind.
</li>
<li>
<a href="mailto:w-a-schmidt@gmx.net">Walter Schmidt</a>:
Upright fonts should exhibit some negative kerning between
e-V, with respect to the physical unit ‘eV’.
</li>
<li>
<a href="mailto:w-a-schmidt@gmx.net">Walter Schmidt</a>:
Jörg Knappen's EC fonts include the e-V kerning and other
additional kerning data, which were not present in the old
CM fonts. See the file exrligtb.mf. IMO, these additional
data should be adopted for Latin Modern, too.
</li>
<li>
<a href="mailto:moho01ab@student.cbs.dk">Morten Høgholm</a>:
Kernings with ‘æ’ and ‘å’
should be improved
(e.g., ‘Tæ’, ‘Tå’,
‘Væ’, ‘Vå’).
</li>
<li>
<a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
Spacing in ‘[…]’, ‘(…)’,
and ‘{…}’ should be symmetric.
</li>
<li>
<a href="mailto:sch.ha@web.de">Harry Schmidt</a> (2003-11-26):
The distance between the letters A and u in the roman, roman/bold,
italic and italic/bold font shapes is too large; there should be some
negative kerning. The same holds for the letters A and v.
Example: ‘Aufgabe’
</li>
<li>
Reinhardt Kotucha (2003-12-23):
I hope that it isn't too late, but I'm not very happy with Knuth's
‘Au’ kerning in <code>\rm</code>.
I just saw that Latin Modern has the same problem.
Example: ‘Auto’.
I didn't test <code>\sf</code> and <code>\it</code>.
</li>
<li>
No kerning between the letters k and a in the roman and
roman/bold font shapes.
</li>
<li>
<b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
All kerning has been prepared from scratch. Previously, the starting point
was AE family of fonts; the starting point for the current version of LM
fonts were kerns of EC fonts. Extending them properly so that all necessary
diacritical characters are kerned was the most tedious part of this stage of
works on LMs. Of course, we exploited several programistic tools prepared
especially for this occasion (AWK scripts), as altogether there are
nearly 300000 kern pairs, circa 6000 per font ;-)
</em>
</li>
</ul>
<h3>Single glyphs/ligatures</h3>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
The slash (‘/’), backslash (‘\’), and
plus (‘+’) are much nicer than in European Computer
Modern.
</li>
<li>
<a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
The guillemets are nicer than in European Computer Modern.
</li>
<li>
<a href="mailto:kirpal@rz.uni-leipzig.de">Gerrit Kirpal</a>:
The text fractions are better because the fraction line is a
solidus instead of a horizontal line.
</li>
<li><strike>
<a href="mailto:stefan@snobis.de">Stefan Nobis</a>:
The horizontal strokes of the ‘[’ and ‘]’ should be
a little bit longer.</strike><br>
<b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>Not sure... This is the feature inherited
from CM fonts. We are rather reluctant with respect to the
changing of design.</em>
</li>
<li>
<a href="mailto:okumura@matsusaka-u.ac.jp">Haruhiko Okumura</a>:
<code>\textyen</code> (Japanese currency symbol) has a too small
‘equals’ sign. It would be much better to just say
<code>\def\textyen{Y\llap=}</code>, or somewhere in between.
<br>
<b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>We attempted to improve it.</em>
</li>
<li><strike>
Hans Hagen (2004-01-25):
Example in Latin Modern Mono: ‘cigarettes per day --- and we
humans’.
Looks like cork-cmtt10 has a strange ligature since texnansi-cmtt10
does ist right.
In cork-lmtt10 I find the following lig:<br>
<code>(LABEL 0 55)</code><br>
<code>(LIG O 55 O 25)</code><br>
<code>(LIG O 177 O 177)</code><br>
<code>(STOP)</code><br>
This gives a funny character an ddefinitely no ‘---’.
I wonder, shouldn't the tt tfm's have no ligatures at all?
(vf's may have them).
</strike>
<br>
<b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
This _is_ the proper behaviour. If you disassemble ectt1000 you
will see the same figures. The complete set of ectt1000 ligatures
is as follows:<br>
<code>quoteleft + quoteleft --> quotedblleft</code><br>
<code>quoteright + quoteright --> quotedblright</code><br>
<code>hyphen + hyphen --> endash</code><br>
<code>hyphen + hyphenchar --> hyphenchar</code><br>
<code>less + less --> guillemotleft</code><br>
<code>greater + greater --> guillemotright</code><br>
<code>comma + comma --> quotedblbase</code><br>
<code>exclam + quoteleft --> exclamdown</code><br>
<code>question + quoteleft --> questiondown</code><br>
Ask Jörg Knappen about the idea behind this ;-)
</em>
</li>
<li>
<a href="mailto:uwestoehr@web.de">Uwe Stoehr</a> (2003-12-10):
The <code>\textcircled</code> is small with Latin Modern:
<a href="textcircled.tex">textcircled.tex</a>,
<a href="textcircled.pdf">textcircled.pdf</a>
<br>
<b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>Not touched yet.</em>
<br>
<a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
Recent versions of textcomp do not have this problem.
</li>
</ul>
<h3>General things</h3>
<ul>
<li>
<strike><a href="mailto:kirpal@rz.uni-leipzig.de">Gerrit Kirpal</a>:
Latin Modern should be darker.
<a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
I am not sure.
The fonts could be slightly darker, but not much.
They still have to fit to the mathematical type 1 fonts which
makes a darker lm font problematic.</strike>
<a href="mailto:B.Jackowski@gust.org.pl">Boguslaw Jackowski</a>:
<em>Subtle darkening is feasible for bitmap fonts; with outline ones
it is nearly impossible. Moreover, I agree with you that they must
fit with math.</em>
</li>
<li><strike>
Sometimes, I am missing the bold and the bold italic typewriter font
shape.</strike>
<br>
<b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
Once upon time Jacko tried to prepare a bold version of cmtt - and
failed. It seems that Knuth's design precludes (acceptably neat)
bold typewriter. The resort would be using courier-like fonts.<br>
Moreover, even if we succeeded in setting parameters properly,
the whole font should be prepared from scratch (remember that
the groundwork LM fonts were AMS/BlueSky Type 1 fonts for CM
family). It would require much work, actually, too much (for us,
at present).
</em><br><strike>
There should be an italic typewriter font with the same character
width as the upright shape.</strike>
<br>
<b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
There is an italic typewriter font: lmtti10 (a counterpart to lmtt10).
Adding lmtti8 and lmtti9 with the metric corresponding to lmtt8 and lmtt9,
respectively, would mean -- in our opinion -- an effort not worthy of the
result. Using lmtti10 at 8pt and lmtt10 at 8pt, if needed, yields -- again
in our opinion -- satisfactory results.
</em>
</li>
</ul>
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<address><a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a></address>
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