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>From BNB@math.ams.com Mon Oct 16 08:28:17 1989
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Date: Wed 11 Oct 89 19:36:21-EST
From: bbeeton <BNB@math.ams.com>
Subject: Impending TeX 3.0; verification of mailing list
To: TeX-implementors@math.ams.com
Mail-System-Version: <VAX-MM(229)+TOPSLIB(132)+PONY(228)@MATH.AMS.COM>

Date:	  11 Oct 89				Message No:	018

To:	  TeX implementors and distributors

From:	  Barbara Beeton

Subject:  Impending TeX 3.0; verification of mailing list


After a long silence (message 17 was sent on 29 June) there is some big
news to report:

At the TUG meeting, Don Knuth announced some changes to TeX, largely to
support non-English and multilingual environments.  A sheet describing
the proposed changes was handed out, but on the assumption that the
contents of that proposal have already reached everyone (and not having
a copy in electronic form), the details are not attached.  More about
this later.

A second major development was Leslie Lamport's decision that, since he
does not intend to develop LaTeX further (he will devote what time he
spends on LaTeX to writing a long-awaited manual on writing style files),
he is willing to turn maintenance and development over to a committee.
A natural head of such a committee was present at the meeting, Frank
Mittelbach, and, subject to Frank's arranging the time to work on the
project, Leslie has expressed his willingness to be consulted and give
advice to this work.  There were two well-attended meetings of persons
interested in "the future of LaTeX", gathered at Leslie's request, at
which various strategies were discussed.  If memory serves (though I
took notes, I have not yet unpacked them; between the middle of August
and now, I have attended two TeX meetings and two standards meetings,
and have not yet even finished attending to the accumulated mail), the
first stage will consist of such tasks as generalizing the existing
LaTeX macros to be language-independent and performing any pending bug
fixes.  After that is complete, more extensive changes, the direction
of which is yet to be decided, will be undertaken.  I will try to bring
news of this project as it develops.

The TeX-related files from Score, except those that were entirely
Score-related, have been made available for ftp from another Stanford
computer,  labrea.stanford.edu .  This is a VAX 11/750 Unix machine.
The relevant directories are accessible as ~ftp/pub/tex .

Score was made unavailable to logins, including FTP, on 20 September.
R.I.P.

Back to the TeX 3.0 announcement.  I have received the following message
from Don:

    Date: 25 Sep 89  2223 PDT
    From: Don Knuth <DEK@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
    Subject: progress report

    Well, I'm still not finished with TeX version 3.0, but I'm beginning
    to see the light at the end of the tunnel! (In other words, I'm
    beginning to develop tunnel vision.)

    I've completed a revision of the text for the 17th printing. It was
    possible to sneak in all the new stuff with only 95 pages changed.
    I've made "errata.five" to document all the changes to The TeXbook
    and The MFbook occasioned by the new versions. Almost every change
    appears in nine point or eight point type; thus, changes were substantial,
    but they affect only macro writer and advanced users to a noticeable degree.

    Vols B and D will change on virtually every page, so there's no
    hope to keep those errata uptodate. I have recorded all the substantive
    changes in TEX82.BUG and MF84.BUG as usual, but that's all I can do.
    Hundreds of modules changed in order to handle each of the four major parts
    of this revision.

    I plan to write a brief description of the new features, which do look
    good to me at the moment (although I'm still not finished with the
    tough algorithm that reconstitutes hyphenated words as discretionaries
    when the new ligature conventions are in use). (One of the hardest
    things is to make it possible to hyphenate a word that's preceded by
    a double-quote ligature and  -- with the new ligature conventions ---
    then the first character of the word has been altered besides. I need
    to stand on my head to handle that.)

    There's still more than a week's work to do, realistically, because
    it won't be easy to update TRIP and TRAP. But then I'll have a tape
    with brand-new sources, and I'll try to get all the old-timers
    psyched up to propagate the new versions to the whole world.

And a later progress report from Don:

    Date: 06 Oct 89  0310 PDT
    From: Don Knuth <DEK@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
    Subject: as of 3:07am today (PST) 

    TeX is alive and well. Oh what a TRIP he has just taken.

    (METAFONT is next; that won't be as dangerous an operation)

It's clear that certain files will have to be retrieved in full, and the
main .WEB files are probably among them; certainly TRIP and TRAP will best
be obtained in new versions.  Regarding TRIP, I have received quite a few
inquiries for difference files between past versions and the current one.
Unfortunately, only the latest version has been maintained on any computer
at Stanford, and I have only a few random versions, most of which i can't
identify unambiguously, but they're almost certainly not the same versions
that you have.  Therefore, I am still looking for a good way to encode
TRIP and TRAP so that they will survive network mail transmission and be
able to be decoded on the other end.  Or perhaps it will be best to ask
for you to help one another and pass the files along after they get
installed in the various archives.  Offers of such assistance can be
forwarded through this mailing list by sending a message to
	TeX-implementors@Math.AMS.com

This seems a good time to include the contents of that list so that the
names and addresses can be verified.  Please check your own name below,
and look carefully to see if all the implementors and distributors you
know of are included.  And then send all corrections and suggestions to
me.  Even if you have no comments, please acknowledge this message --
since the last message the AMS has been switched from the Arpanet to
NSFnet, and there have been some unexplained mail failures.


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! This file contains the mailing list of TeX implementors and		!-
! distributors accessible via network mail.  This file is		!-
!	Math.AMS.com::SYSA:[prg.bnb.TeXdistrib]TeXdistrib.list		!-
! Last update:  11 October 1989						|-
!									!-
!	The following are primary maintainers or distributors:		!-
!									!-
fox@uwavm.acs.washington.edu,		! 16Dec87 Jim Fox, CDC Cyber	!-
Bart@cssun.tamu.edu,			! 23Nov88 Bart Childs, DG MV	!-
KNM5936@TAMSIGMA.Bitnet,		! 23Nov87 Ken Marsh, HP9000/500 !-
Platt@ccm.UManitoba.CA,			! 24Nov87/8Oct89 Craig Platt, IBM/MVS!-
Guenther@wsuvm1.Bitnet,			! 20Nov87 Dean Guenther, IBM/CMS !-
Simpson@yktvmx.Bitnet,			! 23Nov87 Rick Simpson, IBM RT	!-
"well!pti"@lll-crg.llnl.gov,		! 23Nov87 Lance Carnes, PCTeX	!-
crawford-j@osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu,	! 20Nov87/10Apr89 John Crawford,Prime!-
"tektronix!reed!barry"@uunet.UU.NET,	! 21Nov87 Barry Smith, Textures !-
MacKay@June.cs.Washington.edu,		! 22Nov87 Pierre MacKay, Unix	!-
"nls!davek"@uunet.UU.NET,	 ! 21Nov87/8Oct89 Dave Kellerman, VAX/VMS !-
!									!-
!	Additional TeX implementors or distributors:			!-
!									!-
beihl@mcc.com,				! 28Jul89 Gary Beihl,	!-
FISICA%ASTRPD.INFN.IT@ICINECA2.BITNET,	! 4Dec87/25Jan89 Max Calvani,	!-
!						 VAX/VMS/DECnet, Italy	!-
c3ar@zaphod.uchicago.edu,		! 27Jul89 Walter Carlip, OzTeX, U.S. !-
mike@inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca,		! 20Nov87/1Apr89 Mike Ferguson, MTeX !-
GRZ046@DBNGMD21.Bitnet, 		! 20Nov87 Edgar Fu\ss, Atari ST !-
XITIKGUN@DDATHD21.Bitnet,		! 24Nov87 Klaus Guntermann, Atari ST !-
U0275@DGOGWDG5.BITNET,			!  8Oct89 Klaus Heidrich, for	!-
!						  Stefan Lindner, Atari ST !-
GRZTEX@DBNGMD21.Bitnet, 		! 20Nov87 Ferdinand Hommes, IBM !-
! "unido!altger!tep"@uunet.UU.NET,	  29May88 Klaus Lichtenwalder, C !-
!	disabled 30Jun89 after failures on messages 016, 017		!-
"sun!saxony!pjm"@UUNET.UU.NET,		! 24Nov87 Pat Monardo, CommonTeX !-
TNIELAND%FALCON@WPAFB-AAMRL.ARPA,	! 28May88 Ted Nieland, DECUS	!-
cczdao%clan.nott.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk, ! 8Sep88 David Osborne, ICL Clan !-
Rokicki@neon.Stanford.edu,		! 20Nov87/5Sep89 Tom Rokicki, Amiga !-
yaski%NTT-20.NTT.JP@relay.cs.net,	! 17Nov88 Yaski Saito, JTeX	!-
FE617@DHAFEU11.BITNET,			! 27Oct88 Peter Sawatzki,	!-
!							Turbo Pascal	!-
P920021@DBORUB01.Bitnet,		! 14Nov88 Norbert Schwarz, CDC Cyber !-
jjs@arbortext.com,			! 30Nov87 Jim Sterken, ArborText !-
! "munnari!g.ua.oz.au!ATREVORROW"@uunet.UU.NET,				!-
!					  15Dec88 Andrew Trevorrow OzTeX/Mac !-
!					    suspended by request, Apr 89 !-
WSULIVAN@IRLEARN.Bitnet,		! 25Jul88 Wayne Sullivan, SB*TeX !-
"mcvax!ed.ac.uk!G.Toal"@uunet.UU.NET,	! 14Jun88 Graham Toal, Acorn	!-
CCFD8%vax2.sussex.ac.uk@ukacrl.Bitnet,	! 	  Brian Williams, UK DECUS !-
!									!-
!	Implementors or distributors of, e.g., device drivers:		!-
!									!-
Beebe@Science.Utah.edu, 		! 23Nov87 Nelson Beebe, UofUtah	!-
Harrison@mahogany.Berkeley.edu,		! 23Nov87 Michael Harrison, VorTeX !-
X066TR@TAMVM1.TAMU.EDU,			! 23Nov87 Tom Reid, TeXrox	!-
!									!-
!	Other primary information re-distributors:			!-
!									!-
abbottp%uk.ac.aston@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk,	! 29May88 Peter Abbott, UKTeX	!-
alien%ese.essex.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk, ! 28Jul88 Adrian Clark, VAX/VMS !-
fps%vaxa.cc.imperial.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk, ! !-
!					   4Jan88 Malcolm Clark, TeXline !-
mrd@sun.soe.clarkson.edu,		!  8Sep88 Mike DeCorte, LaTeX-Style !-
UCIR001@FRORS31.Bitnet, 		! 28May88 Bernard Gaulle, GUTenberg !-
DLatex@ucbcmsa.Bitnet,			! 24Nov87 Doug Henderson, PC MF !-
DHosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu,	! 20Nov87/27Jul89 Don Hosek, output devices !-
Karney%PPC.MFENET@NMFECC.LLNL.GOV,	!  5Dec87 Charles Karney, VMS exten !-
RZ92@DHDURZ1.Bitnet,			! 23Nov87 Joachim Lammarsch, DANTE !-
jonradel@icecream.princeton.edu,	! 28Jul89 Jon Radel, PC pub-domain !-
R02SCH@DHHDESY3.Bitnet,			! 22Jan88 Peter Schilling, DESY !-
CET1%phoenix.cambridge.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk, ! !-
!					  22Nov87 Chris Thompson, UK !-
X230GV@TAMVM1.Bitnet,			! 20Nov87 Glenn Vanderburg, TeX-L !-
! alw%munmurra.mu.oz.au@xx.lcs.mit.edu,	  28May88 Alex Warman, Australia !-
!									!-
!	Other addressees:						!-
!									!-
A.Eric@GSB-HOW.Stanford.edu, 		! 20Nov87 Eric Berg		!-
mbb@jessica.Stanford.edu,		! 24Nov87/8Oct89 Malcolm Brown,	!-
!							former TeXhax !-
garcia@cfa.harvard.edu, 		!  8Sep88 Michael Garcia, request !-
!						Smithsonian Astrophysics !-
"frame!drf"@Sun.COM,			! 20Nov87/8Oct89 David Fuchs	!-
Gropp@cs.Yale.edu,			! 24Nov87 Bill Gropp, former Apollo !-
Ray@theory.lcs.mit.edu,			! 25Nov87 Ray Hirschfeld, MIT, comp !-
LEICHTER@Venus.YCC.Yale.edu,		!  3Mar89 Jerry Leichter,	!-
!						Adrian Clark's VMS in U.S. !-
ogawa@saturn.arc.nasa.gov,		! 28Sep89 Art Ogawa, request	!-
JEPTeX@Venus.TAMU.EDU,			! 28Apr89 J E Pittman, request	!-
B35048@ANLCMT.Bitnet,			! 23Nov87 Tony Scandora,	!-
!						former DECUS, request	!-
SCHOEPF@DMZNAT51.Bitnet,		!  3Mar89 Rainer Schoepf, bug 2.98 !-
QZDMGN@DRUEDS2.Bitnet,			! 28Dec88 Reinhard Wonneberger, !-
!						request, EDS, Germany	!-
Ken@cs.Rochester.edu,			! 20Nov87 Ken Yap, ex-LaTeX-Style !-
rey,					!  1Dec87 Ralph Youngen, AMS	!-
dcl,					!  1Dec87 Dan Latterner, MR	!-
bnb@seed.ams.com,			! 28May88 verification copy	!-
!				!-
!	paper mail only:	!-
! Randy Best, DCS		!-
! Richard Kinch, C		!-
! Kevin King, Talaris		!-
!				!-
!	still to be added:	!-
! ??? , Apollo			!-
! ??? , Burroughs		!-
! Arthur Flatau 		!-
! Ralph Stromquist ???, Sperry	!-
! Lian Zerafa, FTL, Mac		!-
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