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+$Id: aue.txt,v 1.1 2000/03/15 18:29:52 ap1jjg Exp $
+
+Some correspondance on alt.usage.english. I am curious as to
+what you should call the decimal point in a number qua symbol.
+The correspondance was inconclusive, and I decided to use
+"decimal symbol" and "group symbol" after all.
+
+---------------------------------------------------------------
+
+Punctuation of numbers
+
+Hello all
+
+I need to refer to the punctation used in numbers, eg.,
+
+ 3.141,592,653
+
+in a language-independant fashion. Specifically to
+* the "decimal separator" ("." or centered dot in English, "," in French)
+* the "digit-triple separator" ("," in English, "." in French)
+
+Would anyone have any suggestions or references?
+
+Thanks
+
+-j
+--
+J.J.Green, Dept. Applied Math. University of Sheffield, UK
+http://www.arbs.demon.co.uk
+
+From: "Frank Peelo" <fpeelo@indigo.ie>
+Subject: Re: Punctuation of numbers
+Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
+Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:19:26 -0000
+Xref: news.shef.ac.uk alt.usage.english:415923
+
+
+john green <ap1jjg@gold.cics.shef.ac.uk> wrote in message
+news:s8xpusxbud1.fsf@gold.cics.shef.ac.uk...
+> Hello all
+>
+> I need to refer to the punctation used in numbers, eg.,
+>
+> 3.141,592,653
+>
+> in a language-independant fashion. Specifically to
+> * the "decimal separator" ("." or centered dot in English, "," in French)
+> * the "digit-triple separator" ("," in English, "." in French)
+
+Do all languages group digits in threes? Windows, at least, allows you to
+specify the number of digits in a group, which suggests that some regions
+use different groupings.
+FP
+
+
+From: brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown)
+Subject: Re: Punctuation of numbers
+Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
+Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:46:36 -0500
+Organization: Oak Road Systems
+Xref: news.shef.ac.uk alt.usage.english:416044
+
+Said ap1jjg@gold.cics.shef.ac.uk (john green) in
+alt.usage.english:
+>Hello all
+>
+>I need to refer to the punctation used in numbers, eg.,
+>
+> 3.141,592,653
+>
+>in a language-independant fashion. Specifically to
+>* the "decimal separator" ("." or centered dot in English, "," in French)
+>* the "digit-triple separator" ("," in English, "." in French)
+
+First, I don't know of any widespread style that puts commas
+*after* the decimal point.
+
+Second, in 234,123.33 the comma is a "thousands separator", in my
+vocabulary anyway. ISO Handbook 1, /Units of Measurement/, calls
+the separator between the whole and fractional parts a "decimal
+sign". Microsloth Windows calls them "digit grouping symbol" and
+"decimal symbol".
+
+The preferred decimal sign is the comma, and the preferred
+thousands separator is a thin space. The American way is a period
+and a comma, respectively.
+
+--
+Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cleveland, Ohio, USA
+ http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/
+alt.usage.English intro and FAQs: http://go.to/aue
+WWWebster online dictionary: http://www.m-w.com/mw/netdict.htm
+more FAQs: http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/faqget.htm
+
+From: "Bruce McIntyre" <mcbruce1@home.nospam.com>
+Subject: Re: Punctuation of numbers
+Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
+Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:20:53 GMT
+Organization: @Home Network Canada
+Xref: news.shef.ac.uk alt.usage.english:416159
+
+
+"Stan Brown" <brahms@mindspring.com> wrote in message
+news:MPG.13386f363c85ff8298adbe@news.mindspring.com...
+| Said ap1jjg@gold.cics.shef.ac.uk (john green) in
+| alt.usage.english:
+|
+| Second, in 234,123.33 the comma is a "thousands separator", in
+my
+| vocabulary anyway. ISO Handbook 1, /Units of Measurement/, calls
+| the separator between the whole and fractional parts a "decimal
+| sign". Microsloth Windows calls them "digit grouping symbol" and
+| "decimal symbol".
+|
+| The preferred decimal sign is the comma, and the preferred
+| thousands separator is a thin space. The American way is a
+period
+| and a comma, respectively.
+|
+
+I like the thin space as a thousands separator where possible. In
+newsgroups, which most of us read in monospaced text (and if you
+don't you probably should), I think the comma is a reasonable
+second choice. My sense of logic says that if the comma is going
+to be sometimes used as a thousands separator, it should never be
+used as a decimal symbol, as is commonly done in Europe (and
+perhaps elsewhere).
+
+Probably the reason Windows calls it a digit grouping symbol is
+that sometimes long decimals are separated, as in "1 Plekka =
+0.000 276 4 Euros." (Don't ask me what a Plekka is; I made it
+up.) It's easier to see from this that 27,640 Plekka make 1 Euro.
+I know, it's easier to write "27,640 Plekka = 1 Euro" but not if
+it's part of a list...
+
+I agree that commas/periods should never be used as decimal
+separators.
+
+
+--
+.-------------.----------------------------------------.
+| McBruce | Note new email: mcbruce1@home.com |
+| ICQ 6797517 | Now surfing UseNet via cable modem! |
+}-------------^----------------------------------------{
+| Bruce McIntyre, 6636 Dow Ave., #203 |
+| 604/438-9735 Burnaby BC, Canada V5H 3C9 |
+`------------------------------------------------------'
+
+
+Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:04:35 +0100 (MET)
+From: Arndt Jonasson <arndt@erix.ericsson.se>
+To: ap1jjg@gold.shef.ac.uk
+
+In article <s8xpusxbud1.fsf@gold.cics.shef.ac.uk> you write:
+>Hello all
+>
+>I need to refer to the punctation used in numbers, eg.,
+>
+> 3.141,592,653
+>
+>in a language-independant fashion. Specifically to
+>* the "decimal separator" ("." or centered dot in English, "," in French)
+>* the "digit-triple separator" ("," in English, "." in French)
+>
+>Would anyone have any suggestions or references?
+
+I don't know good names for them, but note that a blank is sometimes
+used as a "digit-triple separator", and that in Japanese, they separate
+digit-quadruples instead. Maybe "digit-group separator" is a better
+term.
+
+--
+Arndt Jonasson Ericsson Utvecklings AB
+arndt@erix.ericsson.se ÄT2/UAB/F/P
++46 8 719 75 87 126 25 Stockholm
+
+
+
+