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Specifically to +* the "decimal separator" ("." or centered dot in English, "," in French) +* the "digit-triple separator" ("," in English, "." in French) + +Would anyone have any suggestions or references? + +Thanks + +-j +-- +J.J.Green, Dept. Applied Math. University of Sheffield, UK +http://www.arbs.demon.co.uk + +From: "Frank Peelo" <fpeelo@indigo.ie> +Subject: Re: Punctuation of numbers +Newsgroups: alt.usage.english +Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:19:26 -0000 +Xref: news.shef.ac.uk alt.usage.english:415923 + + +john green <ap1jjg@gold.cics.shef.ac.uk> wrote in message +news:s8xpusxbud1.fsf@gold.cics.shef.ac.uk... +> Hello all +> +> I need to refer to the punctation used in numbers, eg., +> +> 3.141,592,653 +> +> in a language-independant fashion. Specifically to +> * the "decimal separator" ("." or centered dot in English, "," in French) +> * the "digit-triple separator" ("," in English, "." in French) + +Do all languages group digits in threes? Windows, at least, allows you to +specify the number of digits in a group, which suggests that some regions +use different groupings. +FP + + +From: brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) +Subject: Re: Punctuation of numbers +Newsgroups: alt.usage.english +Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:46:36 -0500 +Organization: Oak Road Systems +Xref: news.shef.ac.uk alt.usage.english:416044 + +Said ap1jjg@gold.cics.shef.ac.uk (john green) in +alt.usage.english: +>Hello all +> +>I need to refer to the punctation used in numbers, eg., +> +> 3.141,592,653 +> +>in a language-independant fashion. Specifically to +>* the "decimal separator" ("." or centered dot in English, "," in French) +>* the "digit-triple separator" ("," in English, "." in French) + +First, I don't know of any widespread style that puts commas +*after* the decimal point. + +Second, in 234,123.33 the comma is a "thousands separator", in my +vocabulary anyway. ISO Handbook 1, /Units of Measurement/, calls +the separator between the whole and fractional parts a "decimal +sign". Microsloth Windows calls them "digit grouping symbol" and +"decimal symbol". + +The preferred decimal sign is the comma, and the preferred +thousands separator is a thin space. The American way is a period +and a comma, respectively. + +-- +Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cleveland, Ohio, USA + http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/ +alt.usage.English intro and FAQs: http://go.to/aue +WWWebster online dictionary: http://www.m-w.com/mw/netdict.htm +more FAQs: http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/faqget.htm + +From: "Bruce McIntyre" <mcbruce1@home.nospam.com> +Subject: Re: Punctuation of numbers +Newsgroups: alt.usage.english +Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:20:53 GMT +Organization: @Home Network Canada +Xref: news.shef.ac.uk alt.usage.english:416159 + + +"Stan Brown" <brahms@mindspring.com> wrote in message +news:MPG.13386f363c85ff8298adbe@news.mindspring.com... +| Said ap1jjg@gold.cics.shef.ac.uk (john green) in +| alt.usage.english: +| +| Second, in 234,123.33 the comma is a "thousands separator", in +my +| vocabulary anyway. ISO Handbook 1, /Units of Measurement/, calls +| the separator between the whole and fractional parts a "decimal +| sign". Microsloth Windows calls them "digit grouping symbol" and +| "decimal symbol". +| +| The preferred decimal sign is the comma, and the preferred +| thousands separator is a thin space. The American way is a +period +| and a comma, respectively. +| + +I like the thin space as a thousands separator where possible. In +newsgroups, which most of us read in monospaced text (and if you +don't you probably should), I think the comma is a reasonable +second choice. My sense of logic says that if the comma is going +to be sometimes used as a thousands separator, it should never be +used as a decimal symbol, as is commonly done in Europe (and +perhaps elsewhere). + +Probably the reason Windows calls it a digit grouping symbol is +that sometimes long decimals are separated, as in "1 Plekka = +0.000 276 4 Euros." (Don't ask me what a Plekka is; I made it +up.) It's easier to see from this that 27,640 Plekka make 1 Euro. +I know, it's easier to write "27,640 Plekka = 1 Euro" but not if +it's part of a list... + +I agree that commas/periods should never be used as decimal +separators. + + +-- +.-------------.----------------------------------------. +| McBruce | Note new email: mcbruce1@home.com | +| ICQ 6797517 | Now surfing UseNet via cable modem! | +}-------------^----------------------------------------{ +| Bruce McIntyre, 6636 Dow Ave., #203 | +| 604/438-9735 Burnaby BC, Canada V5H 3C9 | +`------------------------------------------------------' + + +Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:04:35 +0100 (MET) +From: Arndt Jonasson <arndt@erix.ericsson.se> +To: ap1jjg@gold.shef.ac.uk + +In article <s8xpusxbud1.fsf@gold.cics.shef.ac.uk> you write: +>Hello all +> +>I need to refer to the punctation used in numbers, eg., +> +> 3.141,592,653 +> +>in a language-independant fashion. Specifically to +>* the "decimal separator" ("." or centered dot in English, "," in French) +>* the "digit-triple separator" ("," in English, "." in French) +> +>Would anyone have any suggestions or references? + +I don't know good names for them, but note that a blank is sometimes +used as a "digit-triple separator", and that in Japanese, they separate +digit-quadruples instead. Maybe "digit-group separator" is a better +term. + +-- +Arndt Jonasson Ericsson Utvecklings AB +arndt@erix.ericsson.se ÄT2/UAB/F/P ++46 8 719 75 87 126 25 Stockholm + + + + |