From: UKTeX-Request@ftp.tex.ac.uk To: UKTeX Distribution: ; Subject: UKTeX Digest V94 #08 Reply-To: UKTeX@ftp.tex.ac.uk Distribution: world MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 14:25:24 +0000 Message-ID: <524.762186324@unicorn.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk> Sender: cczdao@unicorn.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk UKTeX Digest Friday, 25 Feb 1994 Volume 94 : Issue 08 ``The UKTeX Digest is brought to you as a free, unfunded and voluntary service of the UK TeX Users Group and the UK TeX Archive.'' Today's Topics: {Questions & Answers}: TeX for Windows Re: Type 1 PostScript fonts Re: LaTeX2e and packages/classes Re: LaTeX2e and packages/classes Re: postscript fonts Rotating too wide for a4 portrait table into landscape TeX memory limitations PostScript virtual fonts What is AUCTeX? Postscript versions of LaTeX line and Circle fonts. Administrivia: Moderators: Peter Abbott (Aston University) and David Osborne (University of Nottingham) Contributions: UKTeX@ftp.tex.ac.uk Administration, subscription and unsubscription requests: UKTeX-request@ftp.tex.ac.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 21:54:49 +0000 From: Peter J Knaggs Subject: TeX for Windows Here we go again, I have been quit happy using EmTeX for some time. Unfortunatly I have now been forced into using Windows. As a resault I am no longer able to use EmTeX, as the emx system that underpins EmTeX does not understand how to use DPMI. Can anybody offer any advice on this problem? It should be noted that I am using Windows-NT at home, and Win32 in the office. - -- Peter J Knaggs Computing & Information Systems, University of Paisley, pjk@cs.paisley.ac.uk High Street, Paisley, Scotland. +44 (0)41-848-3545 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:10:41 +0000 From: spqr@ftp.tex.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Subject: Re: Type 1 PostScript fonts > I'm using TeX and dvips with GhostScript to print. The ghostscript fonts > aren't of good enough quality. Printing TeX output with the supplied > ghostscript fonts is like asking Monet to paint on newspaper :-( > > Can anyone recommend a (reasonably cheap?) supplier of Type 1 hinted > fonts? Addresses/telephone numbers welcome. three answers a) buy a copy of ATM for Windows or Mac (free with many programs, and OS/2). this gives you Times, Helvetica and Courier Type1 sources b) use free fonts. Charter, Utopia, Nimbus etc. or the CM fonts - all available in Type1 hinted format in the public domain (the Paradissa collection) c) whats expensive? how many do you need? you could buy all of Lucida Bright, for instance for a few hundred pounds, which isnt much in the circumstances. I'd buy good quality fonts from the big names like Adobe or Monotype, and just skip a few trips to the seaside to pay for them. Sebastian Rahtz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:10:41 +0000 From: spqr@ftp.tex.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Subject: Re: LaTeX2e and packages/classes > From: Mike Piff > Subject: LaTeX2e and packages/classes > > I should draw your attention to the fact that Joachim Schrod has been made > the moderator for the CTAN archive as far as LaTeX styles are concerned. It > is his avowed intention to *reject* any new style files that do not also > behave as LaTeX2e packages/classes. Thus the intention is to *force* > contributors to conform to LaTeX2e standards, despite the limitations of the > new system and the possibility that it might be superceded in a couple of > years time. > > The compatibility mode of LaTeX is thus only being supported nominally. You > have lost your freedom to continue using and enhancing this mode. I dont know where to start with this hysterical outburst. Lets begin by getting it straight what Joachim Schrod has agreed to do in CTAN: we decided we wanted it clear which packages and classes were fully documented, tested, and maintained, as opposed to being donated `as is'. We have therefore split the contrib/ area for LaTeX2e into `supported' and `other'. To make it quite clear for *users* of this stuff, Joachim will issue guidelines for what it means to be `supported'. Since this is contributed software for *LaTeX2e*, he will naturally expect it to conform to 2e standards. I regard this as being entirely reasonable and beyond dispute. Next, let's also get it clear that - LaTeX 209 style files will be accepted in CTAN in almost any foreseeable future, and stored in the latex209 area - packages/class which people wish to place in the public domain for 2e, but do not wish to support or document to the standards, will simply be placed in a different area from the `supported' one under 2e. Thirdly, lets look at CTAN policy (not formally stated, i admit), which is that the author dictates what goes in the archive, and how its arranged below our classification point. When LaTeX2e came out, I asked the developers how they wanted it stored in CTAN, and after much discussion, the scheme you see as macros/latex2e was decided on. I was very pleased to see the establishment of a `moderated' area for contributions, and very grateful to someone of Joachim's acuity for looking after it. I was equally pleased to see the `other' area, which could contain whatever authors wanted to place in the public domain. > I think this is a serious issue for LaTeX, and one that must be addressed > publicly. I am always puzzled by people who think that LaTeX is a basic human right. Its there because Lamport wrote it, and lets you use it for nothing. Now he has allowed a team led by Frank Mittelbach to maintain and enhance it, and gives his full blessing to LaTeX2e, which he will describe in the forthcoming new edition of his book. I, and many many other people, welcome LaTeX2e, and want to use it, and write public domain packages/classes for it. When it comes down to it, LaTeX, and CTAN, and its contents, are developed and maintained by voluntary effort for whoever wants to use them. THEY DONT HAVE ANY WARRANTY! YOU HAVE NO FORMAL RIGHTS! So: write your own macro package; start your own archive; start an area on CTAN of `rebel' packages; find funding to allow Frank Mittelbach and others to work full-time on LaTeX3; try to buy the rights to the `LaTeX' name from Lamport etc, and do what you want with it. More action, less words! Sebastian Rahtz (this is a private answer, not checked by other CTAN or UK TeX Archive maintainers) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 17:14:04 +0100 From: Joachim Schrod Subject: Re: LaTeX2e and packages/classes > Date: 11 Feb 1994 12:28:08 > From: Mike Piff > Subject: LaTeX2e and packages/classes > > I should draw your attention to the fact that Joachim Schrod has been made > the moderator for the CTAN archive as far as LaTeX styles are concerned. This is not true. FYI: There are plans to make the CTAN area macros/latex2e/contrib/supported/ moderated. As the name latex2e implies already, this area is concerned with distributions for LaTeX2e, not for 2.09-only stuff. (Of course, if packages work with LaTeX2e _and_ with 2.09, it's even better.) Most probably, I will be the moderator of this area. There will be guidelines for submissions that concern the structure (not the content) of any distribution unit (aka bundle) in this area. To prevent false expectations: there are no plans for reviewing submissions, like in comp.sources.reviewed -- we're more interested to check a minimum level of completeness for a bundle, like in comp.sources.misc. > It > is his avowed intention to *reject* any new style files that do not also > behave as LaTeX2e packages/classes. That's true, indeed. Of course, contributions to LaTeX2e should work with LaTeX2e; I consider that an oxymoron. In LaTeX2e there is no such thing as a style file, by the way. LaTeX 2.09 style files are found in the CTAN area macros/latex/contrib/. Please note, that there's also the unmoderated macros/latex2e/contrib/other/ CTAN area for further contributions to LaTeX2e. As always, CTAN should be regarded as the definitive place for TeX software; your distribution point of choice. > I think this is a serious issue for LaTeX I think so as well. I hope that a moderated area for LaTeX2e packages and classes will raise the level of quality you can expect to get. I hope that we're providing an enhanced service for the TeX user community at large, eventually. Of course, if assessments will show that this is not the case, decisions will have to be discussed again. Cheers, Joachim PS: I would like to thank Klaus Guntermann who pointed out Mike Piff's mail to me -- I've stopped wasting my time by reading his tirades about those who try to work for the TeX community. Joachim Schrod Email: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de Computer Science Department Technical University of Darmstadt, Germany ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 20:54:12 +0000 From: Bob Margolis Subject: Re: postscript fonts Far be it for me to disagree with Sebastian (but I'm going to). The marginal cost of my time (to my institution) is ZERO. This may be unpalatable/unsatisfactory and/or unThatcherite, but it is still true. However, faster machines cost money - real money- and to fail to understand thi s is false accounting too. Pace - I too find Ghostscript essentially bug free and I DO run a `slow' DOS machine (albeit I have exclusive use of it which I wouldn't have with a `real person's' machine. Bob M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:55:37 +0000 From: "John M. Simmie, University College, Galway, Ireland" Subject: Rotating too wide for a4 portrait table into landscape Is there a way of rotating just a table(s) into landscape within an A4 portrait document --- via LaTeX? The table may occupy the whole page so we can workaround by printing twice over but this is not desirable ... John Simmie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 11:41:00 +0000 From: QLTV41@upvax.ulst.ac.uk Subject: TeX memory limitations I am using TeX to generate music output and am hitting a memory problem. Up to about 2/3rds of a page of output things work fine, but when attempting to do a full page, I crash out. I have looked at all the obvious system parameters, and the failure occurs even when running under 'SYSTEM'. Can you help at all? The log file follows: ************************************************ This is TeX, Vax/VMS Version 2.9 (preloaded format=plain 88.3.12) 23 FEB 1994 11:24 **music ($1$DIA2:[QLTV.MUSIC]MUSIC.TEX;18 ($1$DIA2:[QLTV.MUSIC]MUSICNFT.TEX;1 Version 4.98 -- August 3rd, 1993) ($1$DIA2:[QLTV.MUSIC]MUSICTEX.TEX;1 Version 4.98 -- October 2nd, 1993) ($1$DIA2:[QLTV.MUSIC]MUSICVBM.TEX;1 \s@lopenum=\count94 \the@pitch=\count95 \b@eamlength=\dimen124 ) ($1$DIA2:[QLTV.MUSIC]MUSICTRP.TEX;1) ($1$DIA2:[QLTV.MUSIC]ZMACROS.TEX;1) ($1$DIA2:[QLTV.MUSIC]HEADER.TEX;1) ********** Shillinavogy ******************************************************* bar 1 bar 2 bar 3 bar 4 bar 5 bar 6 bar 7 bar 8 bar 9 bar 10 bar 11 bar 12 bar 13 bar 14 bar 15 bar 16 bar 17 ********** Gan Ainm *********************************************************** bar 1 bar 2 bar 3 bar 4 bar 5 bar 6 bar 7 bar 8 bar 9 bar 10 bar 11 bar 12 bar 13 bar 14 bar 15 bar 16 bar 17 bar 18 ********** Gan Ainm *********************************************************** bar 1 bar 2 bar 3 bar 4 bar 5 bar 6 bar 7 bar 8 bar 9 bar 10 bar 11 bar 12 bar 13 bar 14 ********** Gan Ainm *********************************************************** bar 1 bar 2 bar 3 bar 4 bar 5 bar 6 bar 7 bar 8 bar 9 bar 10 ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [main memory size=65501]. } \h@dslur ...\ch@box =\hbox {\slurnorfont \char 31} \ifdim \wd \ch@box >\y@v \... ...@width {\hss \hdslur {1.4\qn@width } \hss } \xcharnote ...}\pl@base \raise \y@i \hbox to #1{#3 \hss } \alt@suite ->\relax \Xdfl {i{}} \getn@i {i{}} \xgetn@i ...n@iletter {#1}\else \getn@inonlet {#1} \fi \global \n@raise =\z@ \qu@z #1->\getn@i {#1} \def \n@fon {\qu }\def \n@sym {\q@u }\g@qu l.153 ...}{k}{m}{k}\rolls\Zlbb{l}{i}\rolls\Zud{ Subject: What is AUCTeX? I have seen people referring to this, and can gather that it's an emacs mode for editing tex (or is it latex only?) source. Can someone tell me, though, exactly what it offers? All the stuff in the archive is gzipped and I don't want to get it all and unzip it only to find it's not worth it. Two subjective questions I'd like opinions on: is AUCTeX (am I even spelling it right?) worth learning to use emacs for (to a nearly 15years vi user)? is it the sort of thing that might make life easy for novice (student) latex users? Thanks for any info & apologies for my ignorance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 10:30:41 +0000 From: P.Abbott@aston.ac.uk Subject: Postscript versions of LaTeX line and Circle fonts. I have received a letter asking if copies of Postscript versions of the LaTeX Line and Circle fonts are available. 1. Are they? 2. If so are they Public Domain (I seem to remember TeXtures having postscript versions of fonts). 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