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+ <title>Fulfilled or rejected wishes for Latin Modern</title>
+ </head>
+
+ <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" link="#0000FF"
+ vlink="#990066" alink="#DD0000">
+
+ <h1>Fulfilled or rejected wishes for Latin Modern</h1>
+
+ <hr>
+ <p>
+ <em>
+ Unfortunately, I will not be able to maintain this www page
+ anymore. I am searching for a person that can do the work from now
+ on.
+ </em>
+ </p>
+ <hr>
+
+ <p>
+ This page contains the wishes from the page
+ <a href="lmodern.html">Wishes for Latin Modern</a> that have already
+ been fulfilled or rejected.
+ </p>
+
+ <p>
+ Fulfilled wishes are printed in normal type, rectected wishes are
+ <strike>canceled like this</strike>.
+ </p>
+
+
+ <h3>Kerning</h3>
+
+ <ul>
+ <li>
+ Especially around quotation marks, see
+ <a href="lm-kerning-086.pdf">lm-kerning-086.pdf</a> and
+ <a href="lm-kerning.tex">lm-kerning.tex</a>.<br>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:tab@gmx.net">Thilo Barth</a>:
+ Kerning between d and a should be closer
+ (<a href="http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=bivsfr%24d70ep%242%40ID-5075.news.uni-berlin.de">his German news posting</a>).
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+ I don't agree.
+ And <a href="mailto:kirpal@rz.uni-leipzig.de">Gerrit Kirpal</a> does
+ not either.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:w-a-schmidt@gmx.net">Walter Schmidt</a>:
+ The font cork-lmri10 is lacking negative kerning between W-a.
+ Please, compare with ecti1000! Note that I did not search
+ systematically for further deficiencies of this kind.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:w-a-schmidt@gmx.net">Walter Schmidt</a>:
+ Upright fonts should exhibit some negative kerning between
+ e-V, with respect to the physical unit &lsquo;eV&rsquo;.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:w-a-schmidt@gmx.net">Walter Schmidt</a>:
+ J&ouml;rg Knappen's EC fonts include the e-V kerning and other
+ additional kerning data, which were not present in the old
+ CM fonts. See the file exrligtb.mf. IMO, these additional
+ data should be adopted for Latin Modern, too.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:moho01ab@student.cbs.dk">Morten H&oslash;gholm</a>:
+ Kernings with &lsquo;&aelig;&rsquo; and &lsquo;&aring;&rsquo;
+ should be improved
+ (e.g., &lsquo;T&aelig;&rsquo;, &lsquo;T&aring;&rsquo;,
+ &lsquo;V&aelig;&rsquo;, &lsquo;V&aring;&rsquo;).
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+ Spacing in &lsquo;[&hellip;]&rsquo;, &lsquo;(&hellip;)&rsquo;,
+ and &lsquo;{&hellip;}&rsquo; should be symmetric.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:sch.ha@web.de">Harry Schmidt</a> (2003-11-26):
+ The distance between the letters A and u in the roman, roman/bold,
+ italic and italic/bold font shapes is too large; there should be some
+ negative kerning. The same holds for the letters A and v.
+ Example: &lsquo;Aufgabe&rsquo;
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ Reinhardt Kotucha (2003-12-23):
+ I hope that it isn't too late, but I'm not very happy with Knuth's
+ &lsquo;Au&rsquo; kerning in <code>\rm</code>.
+ I just saw that Latin Modern has the same problem.
+ Example: &lsquo;Auto&rsquo;.
+ I didn't test <code>\sf</code> and <code>\it</code>.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ No kerning between the letters k and a in the roman and
+ roman/bold font shapes.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
+All kerning has been prepared from scratch. Previously, the starting point
+was AE family of fonts; the starting point for the current version of LM
+fonts were kerns of EC fonts. Extending them properly so that all necessary
+diacritical characters are kerned was the most tedious part of this stage of
+works on LMs. Of course, we exploited several programistic tools prepared
+especially for this occasion (AWK scripts), as altogether there are
+nearly 300000 kern pairs, circa 6000 per font ;-)
+ </em>
+ </li>
+ </ul>
+
+ <h3>Single glyphs/ligatures</h3>
+
+ <ul>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+ The slash (&lsquo;/&rsquo;), backslash (&lsquo;\&rsquo;), and
+ plus (&lsquo;+&rsquo;) are much nicer than in European Computer
+ Modern.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+ The guillemets are nicer than in European Computer Modern.
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:kirpal@rz.uni-leipzig.de">Gerrit Kirpal</a>:
+ The text fractions are better because the fraction line is a
+ solidus instead of a horizontal line.
+ </li>
+ <li><strike>
+ <a href="mailto:stefan@snobis.de">Stefan Nobis</a>:
+ The horizontal strokes of the &lsquo;[&rsquo; and &lsquo;]&rsquo; should be
+ a little bit longer.</strike><br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>Not sure... This is the feature inherited
+ from CM fonts. We are rather reluctant with respect to the
+ changing of design.</em>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:okumura@matsusaka-u.ac.jp">Haruhiko Okumura</a>:
+ <code>\textyen</code> (Japanese currency symbol) has a too small
+ &lsquo;equals&rsquo; sign. It would be much better to just say
+ <code>\def\textyen{Y\llap=}</code>, or somewhere in between.
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>We attempted to improve it.</em>
+ </li>
+ <li><strike>
+ Hans Hagen (2004-01-25):
+ Example in Latin Modern Mono: &lsquo;cigarettes per day --- and we
+ humans&rsquo;.
+ Looks like cork-cmtt10 has a strange ligature since texnansi-cmtt10
+ does ist right.
+ In cork-lmtt10 I find the following lig:<br>
+ <code>(LABEL 0 55)</code><br>
+ <code>(LIG O 55 O 25)</code><br>
+ <code>(LIG O 177 O 177)</code><br>
+ <code>(STOP)</code><br>
+ This gives a funny character an ddefinitely no &lsquo;---&rsquo;.
+ I wonder, shouldn't the tt tfm's have no ligatures at all?
+ (vf's may have them).
+ </strike>
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
+ This _is_ the proper behaviour. If you disassemble ectt1000 you
+ will see the same figures. The complete set of ectt1000 ligatures
+ is as follows:<br>
+ <code>quoteleft + quoteleft --> quotedblleft</code><br>
+ <code>quoteright + quoteright --> quotedblright</code><br>
+ <code>hyphen + hyphen --> endash</code><br>
+ <code>hyphen + hyphenchar --> hyphenchar</code><br>
+ <code>less + less --> guillemotleft</code><br>
+ <code>greater + greater --> guillemotright</code><br>
+ <code>comma + comma --> quotedblbase</code><br>
+ <code>exclam + quoteleft --> exclamdown</code><br>
+ <code>question + quoteleft --> questiondown</code><br>
+ Ask J&ouml;rg Knappen about the idea behind this ;-)
+ </em>
+ </li>
+ <li>
+ <a href="mailto:uwestoehr@web.de">Uwe Stoehr</a> (2003-12-10):
+ The <code>\textcircled</code> is small with Latin Modern:
+ <a href="textcircled.tex">textcircled.tex</a>,
+ <a href="textcircled.pdf">textcircled.pdf</a>
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>Not touched yet.</em>
+ <br>
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+ Recent versions of textcomp do not have this problem.
+ </li>
+ </ul>
+
+ <h3>General things</h3>
+
+ <ul>
+ <li>
+ <strike><a href="mailto:kirpal@rz.uni-leipzig.de">Gerrit Kirpal</a>:
+ Latin Modern should be darker.
+ <a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a>:
+ I am not sure.
+ The fonts could be slightly darker, but not much.
+ They still have to fit to the mathematical type&nbsp;1 fonts which
+ makes a darker lm font problematic.</strike>
+ <a href="mailto:B.Jackowski@gust.org.pl">Boguslaw Jackowski</a>:
+ <em>Subtle darkening is feasible for bitmap fonts; with outline ones
+ it is nearly impossible. Moreover, I agree with you that they must
+ fit with math.</em>
+ </li>
+ <li><strike>
+ Sometimes, I am missing the bold and the bold italic typewriter font
+ shape.</strike>
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
+ Once upon time Jacko tried to prepare a bold version of cmtt - and
+ failed. It seems that Knuth's design precludes (acceptably neat)
+ bold typewriter. The resort would be using courier-like fonts.<br>
+ Moreover, even if we succeeded in setting parameters properly,
+ the whole font should be prepared from scratch (remember that
+ the groundwork LM fonts were AMS/BlueSky Type&nbsp;1 fonts for CM
+ family). It would require much work, actually, too much (for us,
+ at present).
+ </em><br><strike>
+ There should be an italic typewriter font with the same character
+ width as the upright shape.</strike>
+ <br>
+ <b>Jacko/Janusz (2004-04-16):</b> <em>
+There is an italic typewriter font: lmtti10 (a counterpart to lmtt10).
+Adding lmtti8 and lmtti9 with the metric corresponding to lmtt8 and lmtt9,
+respectively, would mean -- in our opinion -- an effort not worthy of the
+result. Using lmtti10 at 8pt and lmtt10 at 8pt, if needed, yields -- again
+in our opinion -- satisfactory results.
+ </em>
+ </li>
+ </ul>
+
+ <hr>
+ <address><a href="mailto:h.harders@tu-bs.de">Harald Harders</a></address>
+ <!-- Created: Thu Feb 12 11:08:22 MET 1998 -->
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